AFK cloaking only exists because we have to use that to counter local.

Then where is our button to forcefully undock people?

You're just another dumb person that wants risk-free ratting space for zero effort.

Again: Some here on the side favoring cloaks/AFK cloaking do not want things changed (e.g. Baltec). Others, like myself, want an over haul to NS intel and in the interim change nothing.

So you who exactly wants a change? Oh yeah, that would be the people who want to have cloaked ships be vulnerable to being probbed down. The people who want to nerf cloaks.

You have it exactly backwards.

Wait wut? What about those who want to scan down and PVP a cloaked ship where the pilot is AFK?

Now I am convinced you are not looking dumb...you simple are.

a.) When you want to PvP cloaked players that may or may not be at their computer, then it's only fair that we can PvP people docked in stations that may or may not be at their computer.

b.) And why exactly should I have to fit a entosis link and be there when that **** thing is vulerable just to get a fight in a pvp zone? I don't give two fucks about sov and have no intention of holding space. I want PvP, not PvEntosis.

c.)The entire idea behind cloaky gameplay is to be sneaky and kill the unawares, hence why covert ops ships are severely weaker than their non-cloaky counterparts. I have no intention of running around with an entosis link to announce my presence to everyone. Neither do I have to, because thanks to local, they see me coming from 30 jumps away.

You have mistaken mere description for a whine.

You are just being an obstinate ass, IMO.

Baltec wants no change and is fine with things are now....but he is whining he can't get kills?

And I have been following this topic longer than you have been in game.

Then why do the people in nullsec get literally 20 minutes advance warning to get away? They barely have to pay attention and can completely avoid PvP.

Nullsec is a pvp zone. If they don't want to fight others, they can go back to highsec and live under the "protection" of concord and also bite the bullet of reduced rewards.
This entire thread is about afk cloakers being the problem. It's people like you that are crying about afk cloakers, not the other way around. We just tell you that afk cloaking is a symptom of the real problem, but you lack the brain capacity to get it and instead think we're the ones crying when it's actually you.

I have to change my playstyle why exactly? And what would that change? People would still dock up 15 minutes before I can even enter the system, no matter what I fly.

I'm a highly intelligent person. According to IQ tests, one of the most intelligent persons of this pathetically dumb human race. It's you that has proven yourself to be on the other side of the intelligence spectrum.

Your corp name and killboard are perfect examples on where your interests lie and that you have zero clue what this is even about and your posts are perfect proof of that. You're just another dumb person that thinks his playstyle is the only valid one and your peanut brain can't think beyond your severely limited viewpoint.

OMG....

Wow...just...wow.

That is so bad it makes me sad.

The people getting away were never AFK. You just simply have things all jumbled up and completely backasswards.

Oh, and nobody said avoiding a fight is a problem. Being able to avoid a fight 100% of the time, that is a bit more problematic. If you are paying attention then you can get away pretty much 100% of the time. Now, even Baltec is not complaining about that. He'll just shrug and set up to AFK camp until somebody is foolish and imprudent.

But somehow you have turned that into a whine.

But papa? why is she in our house anyway?

Neither can he pvp you until he decloaks. You didn't answer the question. Explain the mechanics that prevent you from undocking and ratting (we all know you don't do pvp).

Mittani isn't playing the game. All he does is manage his RMT cartel and give a speech every now and then.

Here is the strategy for you going forward, stop saying local work the same for everyone. It doesn't.

No.

If you are in system local gives you and advance warning.

This has been proven.

Local does NOT work the same.

No.

You, Max Deveron are in system and looking at local. I jump in and am looking at local. You will have a brief period of time (1-2 seconds) where you will see me in local and can take actions whereas I will not be able too.

As such local gives you a distinct advantage. If you have an alt on another account you can test this yourself.

As such local does not work the "same". Local gives the incumbent and advantage. It does not work the same. There is simply no argument here. It has been demonstrated over and over again so that even people like Mike do not deny it anymore.

2. You can...you know, get in fleet, get on comms and people can rat while in fleet with appropriately fit ships. Somebody gets into trouble, you go help each other out.

Because you should not get enhanced security--i.e. lower risk. Ratting in NS Is already pretty damn safe if you are on comms, in the standing fleet and paying attention to intel and local.

Everyone who wants to get rid of AFK cloaking wants to do it by nerfing cloaks, not just for those who AFK cloak, but for those who use cloaks ATK. This tells me two things:

1. These people don't give a **** about game balance.
2. These people want less risk.

The first follows from the desire to nerf cloaks in general. But there are more uses for cloaks than just AFK cloaking. Scouts often use cloaking ships. People move small size high value cargo in cloaked ships like T3Cs and blockade runners. Exploration often requires a cloaky. Not to mention ATK hunting with a cloaking ship. So...why should these players have their game degraded so you and Mike can feel safer while acquiring resources?

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